September 14, 2008...5:19 pm

How Long Does it Take to Learn Fluent Mandarin?

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My daugher Rebecca contemplates a statue of Dr. Sun Yat Sen

A lot of people ask me how long it takes to learn to speak and read fluent Mandarin.

To answer this question, let’s first define fluency in Chinese:

  • Speaking: You can easily hold your own in any conversation. There may be some vocabulary words you don’t understand, but that seldom occurs and is not really a barrier to communication. You are typically able to think in Chinese, seldom falling back on on your native language and then translating your thoughts into Chinese. Your pronunciation and tones are nearly always accurate, even if you speak with an accent. You are able to express your thoughts in Chinese without frequent pausing to search from the right word.
  • Reading: You can read novels, the newspaper, and work documents without over-reliance on a dictionary. You may not understand Tang poetry and the writings of Mencius in the original, but you can read junior high school Chinese textbooks and understand most of what you read.

Narrating my own experience with learning Mandarin might be useful to people who want to know what it takes to become fluent in Mandarin.

How Long it Took Me to Become Fluent

In summary, it took me one and a half years to develop true fluency in spoken Mandarin, and about three years to develop fluency in reading.

I learned Mandarin in three phases.

Phase One: The Beginning (2.5 Years)

  • My first exposure to Mandarin was the Mandarin 101 course I took at university in the USA twenty years ago. I took it over three and a half months (one semester), and learned about 300-400 vocabulary words, 300 characters, and some simple grammar structures.
  • I then took a two month Mandarin immersion program, also in the USA. I reviewed many of the words I’d already learned, and picked up another 500-600 words, for a total of about 1,000 words (though I could not use most of them). I did not work at all on characters during this program.
  • I then worked for twenty-one months in Taiwan. My job required me to speak Mandarin as fluently as possible, though for the first six months I was paired with a more experienced partner who could speak and read fluently. After six months, I became a senior partner to other newbies. I did not attend class during this time, as I was occupied by my work, but I used three key techniques to improve my Mandarin to the point where I was fluently in spoken Chinese and could read at a 6th grade level.
  1. I studied from the John DeFrancis texts each morning until I had finished his most advanced text. After that, I worked through the Chinese readers that Chinese elementary school students read, until I had “graduated” from elementary school (i.e. had finished the 6th grade texts). I also read other books and newspapers, time permitting.
  2. I spoke Chinese all day, every day, and filled notebook upon notebook with vocabulary in context.
  3. I frequently took on interpreting jobs, especially after I had been studying Mandarin for more than a year. This helped me to develop the quick response skills necessary for for true fluency, and helped me bride the barriers between my native language and Mandarin.

I did very little work with writing, choosing instead to type my correspondence in Chinese using a key-in system based on bopomofo.

Phase Two: University and Graduate School (Four Years)

  • After finishing my two year “contract” of overseas work in Taiwan, I returned to university. I changed my major to Chinese literature and spent the next two years taking courses in Chinese grammar, modern Chinese literature, classic Chinese literature, and Chinese language. I also took courses in Chinese history and Asian studies. Reading so much in Chinese helped me achieve true reading fluency, and taught me to read both traditional and simplified characters.
  • After graduation from university I began study in an MBA program in the United States. I worked for a Chinese professor as a research assistant for the better part of a year, took one business Chinese class that was way too easy for me, and spent a semester abroad in Beijing and Shanghai. Spending time abroad in China was very helpful in allowing me to quickly recover my old level of fluency (it had deteriorated a bit, living in the US for four years straight).

When I finished graduate school, I could read most anything in Chinese without consulting a dictionary, could hold a conversation at a level similar to that of a native speaker, and could interpret and translate for business, education, and other markets.

Phase Three: Business and Teaching/Training (15 Years and Counting…)

Since finishing graduate school, I have continued to learn Mandarin and to use my Mandarin skills in a variety of business and educational contexts. I have worked extensively in China and Taiwan in business, conducting my business exclusively in written and spoken Mandarin. I have delivered thousands of speeches, lectures, training courses, and seminars in Mandarin with slides and handouts written in Mandarin. I have taken on a variety of translation and interpreting jobs in business and education. I have written articles and translated my own books into Chinese (with the help of a native-speaking editor, of course).

In my personal life, I use Mandarin to communicate with my wife, some of my children, and with extended family and many friends.

At this point, my Mandarin is as good as that of many native speakers. I’m not perfect–I still mispronounce words (e.g. distributor, jing1xiao1shang1) from time to time, and occasionally have to search for the right word or use circumlocution to describe an object I can’t recall the Mandarin word for. Overall, though, I’m a fully functioning member of a Chinese-speaking society.

I’ll never stop learning–the vocabulary notebook is still in my briefcase, and I still read to learn new words and phrases and to refresh what I’ve already learned. Learning and using Mandarin has been an endless source of challenge, excitement, and stimulation for me. Sure, I was frustrated for the first year or so, but once I achieved my breakthroughs, it was all fun from there.

Eight Keys to Learning Mandarin Quickly and Efficienty

There really is no “quick” way to learn Mandarin, but there are things you can do to reduce pain and increase efficiency.

  1. Once you’ve decided you’re going to learn, never give up. Attitude and dedication are probably 80% of the battle in learning Mandarin.
  2. You can only learn to speak Mandarin fluently if you’re surrounded by native Mandarin speakers (preferably once who don’t speak much English). You can’t learn Mandarin in your home country. Take classes for six months or a year and then do a semester abroad or live overseas in some capacity for at least six months or a year.
  3. Don’t be afraid to open your mouth and sound stupid. You will (sound stupid), but don’t worry about it. You want to learn, right? You have to keep your mouth moving.Make lots of friends who will speak Mandarin with you. Ask them to correct you when you’re wrong.
  4. Be assiduous about learning vocabulary in context. If a taxi driver says “hou4hui4you3qi2,” open your notebook and ask him to repeat what he said. Then, find out what it means (it means “I hope we’ll meet again”).
  5. You don’t necessarily have to take classes, though having six months of classes is a good idea. Actually, if you’re learning to speak Mandarin, I think you’ll hit the point of diminishing returns with classes after a year or so.
  6. To become a fluent reader, start with the John DeFrancis series, then transition into basic elementary school texts, if you can find them. There are other ways to learn reading, but this way, you learn to read much like a native speaker does. There’s a cultural element to that kind of reading that is invaluable as well.
  7. At some point, start taking translation and interpreting jobs. That’s when you’ll really turn the corner in your Mandarin studies. Don’t do it as an amateur volunteer until you’re passably fluent, and don’t it as a professional until you’re very fluent.
  8. Read and speak Chinese all day, six days a week. On the seventh day, take a cue from the Bible and give yourself a rest. Read your English novels, magazines, and newspapers. Watch movies in English, and hang out with your English speaking friends. Then, go back to your all-Chinese environment again. You do that, and you’ll learn faster than most people.

So How Long Does it Really Take?

If you live in greater China and study with the same dedication an elite athlete applies to a fitness regimen, and you have some native talent for speaking and reading Chinese, you’ll be fluent in spoken Chinese in one to two years; it will take at least two to three years to be able to read.

For further reading on methods of learning Chinese, see one of my previous posts, How to Learn Fluent Mandarin Chinese.

11 Comments

  • Erm, you got the phrase wrong. It’s not hou4hui4you3chi2, it’s hou4hui4you3qi1.

  • Go back and check your source.

    Written in traditional Chinese, the phrase is 後會有期.

    期 is pronounced chi (Yale)/qi (pinyin), second tone.

    For the sake of consistency, I did change my original spelling of chi2 to qi2. I learned Yale romanization during my first few years of study, and changed to pinyin later. Sometimes I inadvertently mix the two.

  • Very interesting entry. Thank you very much indeed. I just wanted to ask whether anybody knows where to obtain Chinese literature in translation? It’s a problem I’ve been facing for some time. Although the works of Lu Xun, for example, have been translated and are readily available, I have not been able to find much else on book sites.
    Incidentally, any recommendations on good, modern Chinese literature would be appreciated (in English of course)

    Many, many thanks
    Freddie

    • Look up Howard Goldblatt online.

      You should be able to find many of his translations on amazon.com and on other book selling sites.

      I recommend much of what he has translated.

      The classics of Chinese literature are:
      Journey to the West
      Dream of the Red Chamber
      Romance of the Three Kingdoms
      Water Margin
      Strange Tales from Make-Do Studio

      My favorite modern writers are Lao She from China and Chang Da-Chun from Taiwan.

  • Hey,

    In response to Freddie: Cheng & Tsui is a pretty good source for literature in chinese. http://www.cheng-tsui.com/catalog/328/chinese
    I’m a native speaker (ABC) just learning to read and write and I’ve ordered several books from them already. I’ve also begun to figure out how to order from amazon.cn although the shipping costs are tremendous.

  • Hi,

    I have a question!!! I love Mandarin.

    I am going into first year university, and I have signed up for a mandarin full year course where we are to learn a minimum of 500-600 characters. It is a rigorous program. From grade 9 to 12 I was immered in an all chinese school with both cantonese but mosly mandarin students, so I have a basic understanding of the flow of words, and the 4 main voice accentuations. My girlfriend since grade 10 is mandarin and I desire to learn it before marriage so I can communicate fully in her home dialect. I just really want to speak not, not really right or read. How long do you expect it to take to learn the lnaguge if I am focused for the next 6 years in university taking courses for the language. I am more than very dedicated to learn the language and am prepared for the struggle. How long will it take to get a basic grasp of communicating? My email is john_filippeos@hotmail.com if you can reply. Thank you so much!

    • John,

      6 years of university study? That’s a lot of classroom time for someone not interested in reading and writing. I think you’ll probably be able to build a large vocabulary and learn how to read in that time, but I don’t think you’ll experience a true breakthrough in your fluency until you spend time in China or Taiwan. Your girlfriend will help you learn to speak, but in my experience, your relationship isn’t based on language study, so that will be of limited help. The key is to live abroad for 6 months or a year, once you’ve been in class for a year or two. Later, if you must, but get abroad and surround yourself with Mandarin speakers.

      Best of luck.

      True

  • This blog entry has lots of good information for those willing to study Mandarin full-time, but what about those of us who have busy lives and can only devote part-time to study? Is it hopeless?

    Maybe. But I’ve come up with a system that might work. Here’s my plan:

    1. Learn how to use a Spaced Repitition Software program, which will be used in all subsequent steps. I use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anki

    2. Spend an hour a day learning correct pronunciation of Mandarin from the first 31 lessons in this book: http://www.chinesemall.com/chmaea2edvo1.html (I was able to do 2 lessons a week, so the process took me 4 months).

    3. Spend an hour a day learning the 300 most commonly used simplified Hanzi characters. This took me a litte more than 3 months, learning at a pace of 3 new characters a day. I learned from this textbook: https://peripluspublishinggroup.com/tuttle/shopping/product_details.php?id=9780804838160

    4. After 7 months of prep work, I was finally ready to start learning to speak some Mandarin! Studying between one and two hours every day (even when sick or on vacation), I am now completing each lesson in 4 weeks, using this book: http://www.chinesemall.com/chmaea2edvo1.html (same book as step 2). In the same 1-2 hour daily study period I continue to use the textbook from step 3 to learn more new Hanzi characters. In addition to my daily study period, once a week I pay for an extra hour with a good native-speaker teacher to make sure I’m not picking up bad habits. There are 70 lessons altogether, so at this pace I should finish the 70th lesson about 5 years, 5 months after I started. The material in the 70th lesson seems to be advanced enough to meet the definition of fluency found at the beginning of this blog entry.

    So the final answer on how long it takes to learn Mandarin in your “spare” time of 1 to 2 hours each and every day is: 6 years.

    I will update this blog entry in 2014 to let you know if I succeeded! (I’m already one year into the process).

    If you want a copy of my spaced repitition flashcards, send me an e-mail by visiting my web site at http://www.meetup.com/MAAATV/

    • Loren, I appreciate you listing these learning technologies here.

      The problem you mention is a very realistic one. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will turn the corner to full spoken fluency until you have lived among Mandarin speakers in a primarily Chinese environment for at least six months. If you can’t do it all at once, try to get at least two or three months after a year of study, then a month per year for the next few years. You’ll see dramatic improvements in your progress if you do.

      I look forward to the day when there are “all Mandarin” boot camps in the United States that students can go and stay at for weeks at a time.

      Best of luck to you in your (and your group’s) endeavors!

  • Cheers True, just the sort of encouragement I needed!! Im planning on starting some lessons this year before taking a year’s study in shanghai (fudan). Dont speak a word as it stands. Another minor problem being that Mandarin lessons are pretty hard to come by in Wales but Il let you know how it goes!
    Oh, any literature suggestions for a serious beginner would be much appreciated. I’m only really interested in speaking the language at the moment.
    Thanks again!
    Jay


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